Friday, April 4, 2014

Video Transcript: Fat reduction without surgery



Craig Ure:                   Good morning and welcome to our hang out today. Today we are going to be discussing with Dr. Jeffery Rapaport how to get rid of unwanted fat fast and how to reduce fat non-surgically.
                                    Now, I know fat reduction; how to get rid of it is probably the number one cosmetic procedure, but so many people are confused with all the different options of technologies or the different techniques available out there so today Dr. Jeffery Rapaport is going to explain all the different options that there are available and the best choices for you.
                                    Good morning Dr. Rapaport and welcome!
Dr. Rapaport:              Thank you, thank you for having me back again.
Craig Ure:                   Good.
                                    I think for the quick definition. What is the difference the real difference because I know there are surgical options and non-surgical options and when people see all these different technologies advertised out there. Just give us a definition of what is surgical and non-surgical and specifically what you do in your practice.
Dr. Rapaport:              Surgical liposuction, which I have done hundreds of procedures really came into its own about 15 years ago. It was invented by a dermatologist actually. It involves taking the patient, putting in numbing fluid and taking a long tube and going in underneath the skin and sucking out the fat with a suction machine and that is an invasive procedure.
                                    Dermatologist usually do this without an anesthesiologist, in other words we don't put people to sleep. A lot of the plastic guys will put people to sleep or put them into some sort of Michael Jackson type trance and what happens is we use...I don't first of all use the invasive any more because the advances in the non-invasive are so large and people really don't want to take the time off, but I am just going to go a little bit for you into the invasive procedure.
                                    The invasive procedure usually takes anywhere from two to three hours. The advantage of the invasive procedure is that you can take a lot of fat out. You can take between 1.5 and 3-4 liters of fat out and each liter is about two pounds of fat. So you can take anywhere from three to six or seven pounds of fat out.
                                    If you have someone who has very, very large fat deposits they can be removed in a single session, which usually takes about three hours. The only problem is there is a significant amount of down time and most people anywhere from five to 14 days. There is a significant risk of infection. There is a risk of irregularities and that is one of the things that it is funny that we use non-invasive things to correct now but the regularities with liposuction is fairly common and "redos" in other words, repeating procedures average between 10 and 20%.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              With the society that we have today Craig, people don't want to take off that much time, they don't want to do the redos and they don't want the risk of infection and/or the anesthesia.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              Fortunately, about three to four years ago non-invasive techniques started becoming in vogue and started being developed and that is where the future of body contouring and fat removal is headed.
Craig Ure:                   I have certainly seen a lot advertised. When you see the ads in the newspapers and you have cosmetic surgeons, plastic surgeons all over advertising these different methods.
                                    I have been in this industry a long time and I find it certainly confusing all the different options. You hear things like lasers. You hear sound wave machines. You see all sorts of different options out there of technologies. Even freezing of the fat [inaudible:0:4:40] with the Excilis. I have heard of Zoronas. I have heard of lasers being able to get rid of fat. I can understand now the difference between the invasive and the non-invasive and it makes sense that people want to not go under the knife and to have procedures that don't necessarily need anesthesia and that is definitely the way forward without a doubt. When I go to all the trade shows I see all this equipment.
                                    Can you give us indication what technologies there are available; the height of the technology because obviously in this industry technologies change all the time. What are the latest technologies available in the non-invasive, non-surgical route and what options do you actually have in your practice?
Dr. Rapaport:              As you mentioned there are low-level lasers, theres freezing there is radio frequency. What you have to realize is that everyone of these non-invasive techniques no matter what technology you use the whole idea is to disrupt the fat cells. Any method that is around that can disrupt the fat cells will basically work.
                                    I think you have to realize that there are probably two techniques or two technologies that stand way, way ahead of the other technologies.
                                    One is radio frequency, usually mono polar radio frequency, which was originally developed years ago for thermage for treating tightening skin and that has been developed and people have improved it over the years, which is a mono polar radio frequency. There are other devices besides the thermage, such as Exilis, which I think are far superior and then the newer technology, which is criolipolisis and the criolipilisis is a way of disrupting the fat cells by freezing them.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              So all of these non-invasive techniques are attempting to disrupt the fat cells. The question that you need to keep in mind and that is what people don't think about it what else is happening besides disrupting the fat cells and that is where you see the difference in the different units.
Craig Ure:                   Right, so you have the ultrasound technology, you have the...did you say ultrasound?
Dr. Rapaport:              Ultrasound is another thing too that is disrupted. Some are more painful than others and I personally have selected two that are probably the best two because they are really not even moderately painful and they get the job done.
                                    When you talk about ultrasound technology such as liposonics etcetera these are painful techniques. They do work, mind you they do work very well but you have to give either Demerol or oral pain medications in order for the patient to tolerate them.
                                    In my mind if you are going to do something non-invasive, lets make it truly non-invasive where you really don't need to put hte patient in some sort of trance or give them pain medications and that is why I have selected two fat-reduction, non-invasive techniques that I think are excellent.
                                    Number one would be the CoolSculpting technique, which is from the Zeltiq Company. I think that is the number one gold standard today in non-invasive body contouring.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              Then the second thing is a monopolar radiofrequency device called Exilis that not many people know about but we have been using in the office for about two years that I think is excellent because it also it non-painful and besides removing fat it also has the ability to tighten skin. When you take these two and I can tell you where I use each on of these devices. When you take those two; a combination of both of these I think we have the best additive techniques and we have something that is non-painful that gets the job done.
Craig Ure:                   Okay, so Cool Sculpting, freezing the fat and then the Exilis machine...so taking those two machines can they both technologies get rid of fat throughout the entire body or do they both work different areas of the body? Just explain what can you actually get rid of fat-wise on the body.
Dr. Rapaport:              You can get rid of small amounts of fat. Remember, if someone is very large and they need three liters of fat removed then they are liposuction candidates.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              Okay, so if you talk about somebody who is pretty close to their ideal body weight that comes in and they have handle bars that they can't get rid of or they have bra fat, they have a little fat around their knees or they have fat underneath their chin or even now if they have fat underneath their eyes and their eye pads we can use these non-invasive techniques to get rid of the fat.
                                    We choose in my mind as to whether or not we need to get some skin tightening. Originally, when CoolSculpting came out I personally thought that the ares that were going to be treated with Cool Sculpting would end up with loose skin and the studies have shown that that is not true. The skin stays the same but you don't get skin tightening.
                                    With Exilis you get removal of fat but you also get skin tightening. The way I divide this up is for larger areas that need fat removal the gold standard is CoolSculpting and that is what we use. iF someone has a large tummy, if someone has flanks. The cool sculpting is FDA approved. There is no needles or incisions. It has been developed at Harvard and it is FDA approved for the abdomen and the flanks.
                                    We do use it for other areas, but those are the two areas that are the best. Someone can come in and we can treat an entire abdomen. The newest technique is called "Treat the Transformation" where you actually do multiple sessions and we can get liposuction-like results with multiple sessions.
                                    When we see that there is a need for skin tightening and you have not that much fat but you have loose skin and fat that is where we use our Exilis machine because these Exilis machine is superb at tightening the skin and we will combine the tightening with the fat reduction with the Exilis machine because that is what it does. We just alter, make some simple changes in the technology of the head and we can get both tightening and removal with that.
                                    Let me try to tell you where we use each one.
Craig Ure:                   Yeah, that is exactly what was going to be my next question. Try to explain where you use each one. It sounds like you are using the technologies in conjunction with one another as well.
Dr. Rapaport:              We used to do both of them as a matter of fact. I used to do Cool Sculpting followed by Exilis, but we found that we really didn't need to go the Exilis portion after the CoolSculpting because there wasn't as I originally thought going to be any loose skin.
                                    The Exilis we have used for the pads underneath the eyes. So the people that have puffy bags underneath the eyes that are from fat pads, we have been using that. We have been using it for jaws and we have been using it for jaw line and especially for fat underneath the chin.
Craig Ure:                   Okay.
Dr. Rapaport:              It works terrifically.
                                    Most of the Exilis treatments we have tried all different protocols but we now know that you need to do six treatments either one to two weeks apart and we are seeing results that I used to see in liposuction in that. You get really fabulous, fabulous results with the Exilis on the neck. It is probably our number one area that we are treating and people are very, very satisfied.
                                    Remember, as I told you whenever we talk that no results are guaranteed and everybody's results could be different but we are seeing very, very good results and people are happy because when they are not happy they come to me and the few people that weren't happy I went back and gave them a few extra sessions and it did tightening and remove the fat so it is also dependent upon the number of treatments but we have developed the protocol with six treatments and I think six treatments is what you need.
                                    The other thing it works well for is fat underneath the arms, which is a tough area to treat because you also...remember the Exilis if for areas where you have fat and loose skin.
Craig Ure:                   Yes.
Dr. Rapaport:              So when you treat underneath the arms you have fat and loose skin and that is a terrific area to treat.
Craig Ure:                   The bat wings.
Dr. Rapaport:              Yes, and the last area that we treat is with fat and loose skin and that is the knee. Now, sometimes is the loose skin is too much to be able to do with a non-invasive we will sometimes have to do some Cellulaze, which is another procedure that we will talk about another time, which gives you even more skin tightening around the knees, but the knees a lot of times can be done with the Exilis technique.
Craig Ure:                   Right. Now, one of the questions that I always get is with these non-invasive type techniques and treatments, procedures. What is the percentage of success rate? So I know you are using CoolSculpting and Exilis but what would be the success rate of a typical patient be in terms of getting the results that they are wanting to achieve? What are the process if somebody comes into you; and I am sure not everybody can be a candidate surely, there is a certain percentage overweight or have to reduce so much fat than liposuction and the invasive route is the way to go, but if you are a certain candidate then you can treat them but what is the procedure when somebody comes in for consultation with you. What sort of percentage of patients can you accept? Just talk us through that process and what exact percentage of results you are getting in the practice right now.
Dr. Rapaport:              I think the key is to be honest with the patient and let them know if realistically a non-invasive procedure is for them. People that really need liposuction, and...here is the big "and" Craig, and are willing to tolerate the risks. I have people that need liposuction but refuse to do anything surgically, are not willing to tolerate the risks who would rather do 10 or 12 Treat the Transformation CoolSculpting. It is not only what I think. I have to do the assessment. It also has to do with what the patient says.
                                    If the patient has a lot of fat and is willing to do a procedure then I will send them to my partner and he will do laser liposuction on them. If they say "I do not want anything invasive" and we look at them and they are a candidate with multiple sessions to Treat to Transformation, which means to treat a lot of areas with one or two repeat sessions on a single area then we will do the CoolSculpting.
                                    It is important and I tell people that with CoolSculpting sometimes you have to repeat the treatment in a certain area. A lot of doctors don't mention this. Remember, that with cool sculpting what you are doing is you are cooling the fat cells down and causing them to disrupt and then slowly go away. Some areas such as the flanks have a mixture of fibrous cells and fat cells and it is not the fibrous cells that are responding, it is only the fat cells that are responding.
                                    We will tell people if they have fibrous areas that they need a second treatment with the CoolSculpting. If they come in with localized fat deposits. The fat deposits are nice and soft or if they are harder we tell them they may need a second treatment. We will set up a treatment plan for them.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              Now, I always in my office I am trying to be cost effective and I try to stay within people's budgets. If someone has a budget that is lets say large enough to do two treatments cycles and they have a whole bunch of different things that need to be done that has to be discussed with them because we won't be able to satisfy them or we could do just one or two different areas. I think it is important in your consultation to consider number one the expectations of the patient and number two the budget of the patient, number three the health of the patient.
                                    We also have some patients that do cool sculpting that are not candidates for liposuction because they either have an arrhythmia, they have stints and they wouldn't be cleared for liposuction and we will do CoolSculpting for some of those patients.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              So it is important to take your medical history. It is important to see the patient's expectations. It is important to see what the patient's budget it and it is important to see how much fat they have and how much you can do.
                                    The average treatment for CoolSculpting takes about 25-30% of the fat away from the area that you are treating. That is the number that the studies have shown.
Craig Ure:                   Okay.
Dr. Rapaport:              So remember, 25% is not a small amount. It is not a large amount, but what happens is if you repeat the 25% you get to 50% so people with larger amounts we would go back and treat the area a second time.
Craig Ure:                   Now, just before we go this is one question that came to mind. There are a lot of people that go to health clubs. My background is health clubs but those people that currently don't need a lot of weight to lose but just want to lose those small areas that they just cannot get rid of; however much they go to the gym. Would that be cool sculpting or Exilis?
Dr. Rapaport:              It depends on what area it is. For instance, a lot of the "mommy makeovers" where people will come in and they have loose skin on their abdomen but not much fat. Those are really Exilis-type patients.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              You have to look at the situation. If there is really not much loose skin and there is fat, that is a CoolSculpting patient because the cool sculpting is the gold standard and we usually get more fat out. If someone is coming in with a little bit of fat and loose skin predominately then that is an an Exilis-type patient. That is a radio frequency monopolar patient because you want to tightening the skin. So you have to access how much loose skin there is and the loose skin factor is important in deciding which modality you use.
Craig Ure:                   When you use this word "sculpting" just like a sculptor can sculpt a piece of clay can you actually with the technique really get that focused into real small areas. People's fat distributes in many different ways that is why there are so many different shapes of people, but can you really get that into those little areas, those problem areas that people may have that don't have lots of weight?
Dr. Rapaport:              Okay, I am glad you said "one of those patient's that don't have lots of weight." Excuse me, because when someone is very large you can't be doing that much sculpting.
Craig Ure:                   No.
Dr. Rapaport:              People that don't have large amounts of weight that are in the health clubs I have done over a thousand liposuctions and with the liposuction the main thing is you have to sculpt and you have to take it off and it has to come of symmetrically and I really feel with my experience the whole thing here when you do the CoolSculpting is where do you place the unit? The unit looks like a hand-size suction device and you have to know what angle to place it at. There is a lot of finesse in where you place the unit and the angle.
Craig Ure:                   It's an art.
Dr. Rapaport:              There is an art to it.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              I really think my liposuction experience really makes it a lot easier for me to decide. Sometimes when we do a consultation a patient will say "I want this done, this way and this done this way." But the reality is I have to place it differently because I want to give them a sculpted look. I want to give them something that is aesthetically pleasing, which I can do with my experience in liposuction.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
                                    Excellent, because that is definitely a question I get asked all the time. There are so many doctors doing these different treatments why is one better than the other? But that answers your question that there are thousands of procedures that you have done, helps you with the non-invasive treatments as well.
                                    Now, the other question I always get asked is after these procedures will the fat come back? You have answered that you have a program, you have a consultation, you have a program, depending on the patient this is how many treatments you will need, this is what modalities we will use to get rid of your particular circumstance and to get the results that you desire, the sculpting results that that particular patient desires, but...how long is it going to last? Just like some of the facial fillers and different injectables that there are on the market you have to keep coming every six months for a top off. How does this non-invasive method of fat reduction, does it come back? Do you have to keep coming for a top off? How do you answer that one?
Dr. Rapaport:              It is a very simple answer. When you do the non-invasive you destroy the fat cells. The body has a huge number of fat cells so there is always a few extra fat cells around. The ones that you get rid of, you get rid of permanently. The key here is if you keep your weight stable and you don't gain weight they will not come back. Absolutely, 100% will not come back. If you gain 10 or 15 pounds then the ones that we treated are not coming back, but some of their other ones that are their buddies next door are going to pick up some of the additional weight and you will start gaining weight again, but if you can keep your weight stable with diet and exercise you absolutely will not need to do a top off. You will not need to do it again, it is permanent.
Craig Ure:                   Wow.
                                    So, if you do actually put weight back on will you come back a different shape then?
Dr. Rapaport:              A little bit different yes, a little bit different. It will go to other areas, yes.
Craig Ure:                   Right, so that is when you come back to you and get rid of that as well then?
Dr. Rapaport:              Yes.
Craig Ure:                   Well, I just know people they try and do these things and have all good intentions but don't necessarily keep the weight off and more comes back on.
Dr. Rapaport:              Well, then you are chasing the next area.
Craig Ure:                   Right, okay.
                                    Alright, my last question unless you certainly want to share with us more information but...prices? People are always interested in "alright, these procedures over here cost this much money. Then I see these people advertising over here and there is offers and there are deals and there are Groupons." It is so confusing out there. The options of do I go see this particular doctor or this doctor over here? It is confusing and that is why this Google hangout here will certainly help a lot of people make that decision and hopefully come and see you of course, but where are we at with prices with this? It just seems to be all of the place when you see the magazines and television and on the Internet. How do the prices work in your particular practice?
Dr. Rapaport:              Well, first of all the Zeltiq people when you buy the machine have a contract and they will not allow you to do a treatment for less than $600 per area, which personally I think is against fair trade, but they enforce that.
Craig Ure:                   Are you saying Zeltiq, that is the CoolSculpting?
Dr. Rapaport:              Yes, so we try and stay at the lowest price we can get. We can't go lower than $600 because we will lose our Zeltiq unit and I know people that have gotten letters from the cooperate counsel when they advertise prices lower than $600. So it really cannot be lower than $600. There are plenty of people that charge a lot more, but we stay at the lower price we can charge, which is $600.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              Per area.
                                    As far at the Exilis is concerned the average runs between $300-400 per session and you need usually six sessions and we usually charge you for five so it runs somewhere between $800 and $2000 to do a full set of treatments.
Craig Ure:                   Right. That would obviously be discussed with each individual patient in the initial consultation.
Dr. Rapaport:              Yes, we discuss the prices. I like to know what people's budgets are because I can decide better than they can how to make good use out of their budget and we will try as be as forthcoming and honest as we can with people to try to give them what they need at the price they can afford, and the consultation is extremely important. I get people who send me pictures and send me things like that and sometimes we can do this with pictures but it is better to see people and actually feel the fat because as I said to you before soft fat works a lot better than firm fat.
Craig Ure:                   Right, so to me when I see a lot of different doctors advertising similar services like CoolSculpt and Exilis you see a lot of different doctors and options and the consumer has many different options available in their local area. It sounds to me the decision when trying to make a decision "shall I go see this doctor and this doctor?" The prices can be very similar, but it sounds like to me it is an art. I mean body sculpting is not "well, just because that person has this machine and they've got that machine it is just going to have the same results."
Dr. Rapaport:              100% the placement and the direction with the CoolSculpting of the individual hand piece is an art and you have to be able to sculpt the patient and you hit upon that earlier. You need someone who has a lot of experience in doing body sculpting procedures in order to know exactly where to put the hand-held unit because if you don't put it in the correct place then you are not going to get as good as a result or not as much of a wow result, because it is not going to have the beautiful body symmetry. You have to know the contours that the body; and the other thing that is very important and a lot of the cosmetic doctors will forget about that is that if you are going to do a certain area you don't treat one area in isolation. You have to take the person, move them back, look at their whole body and say "if I am going to do this, is it going to match the upper part of the areas around it? The lower part of their body, the areas that are below that? Or am I going to create something that when the eye, without even thinking about it, when the brain thinks about it and says "this area is very thin and the rest of the area doesn't match."" I think you get a result that is less desirable than you do something that matches.
                                    Symmetry, the eye catches symmetry very well and you really need to have all different parts of the body match.
Craig Ure:                   Oh, absolutely. I totally agree. I have seen some misshapes out there.
                                    Just as a thought so for those people who are looking at surgical options, non-surgical options. I think Dr. Rapaport has given us a great rundown of exactly why you should choose one or the other, but as I thought if you see all these different advertisements out there; cool sculpting over there, Cool Sculpting over here and think that everybody does the same or the results are going to be the same you are wrong in thinking that because of the art.
                                    I have one other closing question, but how many...because it is an art. I heard you mention a figure of a thousand procedures. How many procedures have you actually done with it?
Dr. Rapaport:              I have done over a thousand liposuctions and I think actually liposuction is a tremendously valuable training for the non-invasive also because after you have taken the actual fat out manually you know exactly where the fat is on the body and you can envision what is underneath the skin.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
Dr. Rapaport:              I have done thousands of liposuctions and I was the first dermatologist I think the Zeltiq unit has been out for three or four years. I was the first dermatologist in Jersey to have the Zeltiq unit. I have embraced it and doing it for a long time now. There is a lot of people around and the company keeps pushing units out there but we have extensive amount of experience; I do in the CoolSculpting and we have been doing it for many, many years.
Craig Ure:                   So, if somebody wants to have a consultation what is the best procedure? Go to your website that we have detailed down here? What is the best procedure?
Dr. Rapaport:              I am located in northern Jersey and we actually have two locations. My main office is in Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, which is just close to the George Washington bridge and we also have a more mid-Jersey location in Old Bridge and we do consultations in Old Bridge, New Jersey in the hospital center off of route 9 and we do consultations in both of those locations.
                                    The best thing to do is to call our main number, which is 201-227-1555 and ask for Violet and Violet will set up a consultation in one two of the offices, whichever one is closer to you. I highly recommend there are a lot of people that come in and say  that they want to do the procedure the day they come in. That is okay, but I have to be there. I have to be there to do the consultation and I want to do the initial consultation and I want to give people the best possible results by allowing me to evaluate them.
Craig Ure:                   So the evaluation, the consultation is always done with you. I know a lot of practices they come in and it is a Nurse Practitioner or it is just some other member of staff, it is always with you then.
Dr. Rapaport:              A cosmetic consultant/sales person.
Craig Ure:                   Right.
                                    So it is always with you?
Dr. Rapaport:              Always with me.
Craig Ure:                   Okay, excellent.
                                    Good! Well, I have enjoyed this. I think this has been very helpful to answer those questions, which was the whole idea. Most people have these thoughts in their head "is this a good method? Is this a good method? What about this technique? I have seen that. This doctor is selling this. This doctor is selling the other." I think it has been very helpful for me in all these sessions that I host to try and get these questions out for the consumer, which is the whole purpose of this.
                                    So, I would encourage anybody who is interested in having a fat-reduction procedure whether you have a little bit of fat that you can't get rid of when you go to the gym everyday or you have those 10,15, 20 pounds heavier that you are trying to get rid of, or even larger. Certainly, I would definitely advice you go and speak with Dr. Rapaport, have a consultation and go to the cosmeticskin doctor website below and call up his office and make sure you get down there to see him.
                                    I don't have any further questions...
Dr. Rapaport:              I wanted to ask you. Last time there a little snapoo with Google. Are we able to show some before and after pictures at the end of this hanging out? Are we still limited by Google?
Craig Ure:                   I know Google Hangout; can I go to your website and grab some pictures?
Dr. Rapaport:              Yeah, sure.
Craig Ure:                   Let me try and just grab... go to the website...I know Google that on this particular tool that we are using here they sometimes have this problem of not being able to show the screen. Where are we going?
Dr. Rapaport:              Go to the CoolSculpting section.
                                    While you are doing that I want to tell you that a lot of people have come to me about the acne scaring hangout that we did and they really watched the entire thing and they came to me with a lot of positive feedback saying that the acne scaring; that they learned a lot of different things that sort of inside information that they wouldn't have learned before.
Craig Ure:                   Alright, well that is excellent.
                                    Well, I have got all the CoolSculpting reviews. I was just looking for the CoolSculpting pictures.
Dr. Rapaport:              Well, if we can't do it the patient's can go to our website anyway.
Craig Ure:                   Yeah, I am not exactly finding them very quickly, but I think, yes if everybody goes to cosmeticskin.com they will be able to see a lot of your patient reviews. Video reviews that patients have left. All their before and afters [inaudible:0:37:26].
                                    So yes, if you go to cosmeticskin.com you will be able to see all of that information. Hopefully, for future hangouts we will overcome this little blip that Google are having.
Dr. Rapaport:              Well, I certainly appreciate you having me again and hosting this and the other thing is that I was thinking it maybe one of these next couple of hangouts that we could encourage patients or potential viewers if they have to post or ask some questions on multiple topics that we may be able to answer in a hangout.
                                    I know that we want to do a cellulite hangout. That would probably be the next something because people have been asking me about that, but I am more than happy to do just a question and answer session if people want to send in their questions.
Craig Ure:                   Yeah, that is a great idea. I would encourage people again go to cosmeticskin.com and go to the "Ask the Doctor" you have on your website. Ask the Doctor, questions and comments form. I highly recommend people go and look on the cosmeticskin.com and fill out that form. Get some feedback.
Dr. Rapaport:              Alright, so anything else I can answer for you?
Craig Ure:                   No, that has been very helpful, thank you. Unless there is anything else you want to cover but I think we have covered a lot of detail there.
Dr. Rapaport:              Okay, I want to thank everybody for watching and I hope I get a chance to meet a lot of you in person. If you have questions regarding anything dermatological or dermatologic surgery oriented and it has been a pleasure and I thank you for paying attention.
Craig Ure:                   Thank you, Dr. Rapaport. Have a good day, bye.
Dr. Rapaport:              You have a great day.
Craig Ure:                   Bye-bye.